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Separation/Divorce Likely - UPDATE

Last post 07-13-2009 3:48 PM by Minniewannabe. 13 replies.
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  • 06-04-2009 7:10 PM

    Separation/Divorce Likely - UPDATE

    I just wanted to let you all know that I am so grateful for all your prayers.  Please keep them up!  :-)

    Dh & I have decided to go ahead with the divorce.  We have agreed that we just don't get along well enough to try to stay married.  Too much water under the bridge, too much anger, too much frustration.

    We have had some great honest talks, which we never enjoyed before...I think that having all the pretense gone between us is really helping us.  We have filled out the paperwork and will be going to a lawyer together next week in order to make sure that it's all in order.  We hope to file the paperwork and get this done as soon as possible.

    I have become aware of my faults and failings more intimately than ever in the past month, and I credit none but God with revealing the truth of the the depth of my selfishness and hurtful behavior.  I have tried to stop justifying my behavior with his own (yeah, I did that, but HE did blah-blah).  Since I have taken responsiblity for my part of our failed marriage, he has begun to do the same.  He has been more willing to listen, to accept that he did and said some things as well.  Which neither of us were ever willing to do before.

    Please pray that we will make good decisions, that we will work for the best interests of the kids, and most of all, that God's will be done!

    Thank you so much!

    Mom to dd8, ds7, dd5, dd4
  • 06-05-2009 8:05 AM In reply to

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    Thank you for the update. I am glad that you are both able to talk about the issues and come to terms with your individual roles. I am sorry to hear that there is no chance for reconciliation. I will pray for you, your husband and your kiddos.
  • 06-05-2009 2:49 PM In reply to

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     Muselix, it sounds like you and your DH are both concerned about the kiddos enough to walk into a divorce attorney together.  That's saying alot.  And I will pray for another miracle in your life.  I am so sorry you are going through so much.

     But whenever someone throws their heart out on the internet, unfortunately, some weirdo like myself is going to say something you don't want to hear.  And, surprisingly, 20 years ago, I never would have felt the way I do now.  While I have never said what I do for a living, many have figured it out.  But I will tell you I meet people at the absolute worst time in their lives, many times at the end of their life.  And I have witnessed a few things over the years:

    I have never ever seen a stepchild come to an elder's death bed.  I have never seen a trophy wife who wasn't more concerned about leaving than helping care for her dying hubby.  Very sick people who have an entire slew of family with them seem to have more peace than those who don't.  I know you're wondering what this has to do with a young person, in cold Alaska, who has 4 beautiful children, who has been through so much and has finally made the right decisions for her family.

    What these observations at the end of life have taught me, is that love is nothing what I had originally imagined.  I used to think love was goosebumps, or at least tolerance, lack of fighting, a mutual understanding, and all that other fairy tale stuff.  But seeing the worst of the worst, I have learned that love is nothing more than who you call when you're in trouble.  And the longer the history, the greater the love.  

    So before you walk into that divorce attorney, please ask yourself one last question.  If you found out today that one of your kiddos is dying of cancer and you need to get her to the ER right away, who would you call first?  If the answer is your momma or your friend, then go ahead with the divorce.  If the answer is your hubby, then fight this divorce with every last breath you have.  Because the history of the struggles you two deal with now, will be the inseparable love you have tomorrow.

    Prayers to your and your hubby and all those dc.  

     

    Mom to DD8 and DS28
    Using mostly A Beka

  • 06-08-2009 9:33 AM In reply to

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    Minniewannabe,  I just wanted to say thankyou for your reply to the op.  You see, I have been going through a rough patch in my marriage as well but I have been the one (dh never wants to give up) that has been wanting to give it all up but your statement/question:

    >>>>If you found out today that one of your kiddos is dying of cancer and you need to get her to the ER right away, who would you call first?  If the answer is your momma or your friend, then go ahead with the divorce.  If the answer is your hubby, then fight this divorce with every last breath you have<<<<

     

    really got me thinking.  ....wish I could explain further what we have been going through but really can't, but thankyou for that bit of insight/advice!

     

    Muselix, my heart is really hurting for you.  I will keep you and your family in my prayers, my God is all powerful, anything is possible.  He can turn your marriage around and make it something totally beautiful!

    Prayers, lynne

  • 06-08-2009 11:04 AM In reply to

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    Wow, it is odd that a poster should post that poignant, but not requested piece of advice. I have not posted here in a while...and the reason is that my dh has been diagnosed with esophageal cancer, and given four months to live. Now, we are fighting and he is doing very well, and we hope for a miracle, which is why we fly out of state for treatments. However...let me tell you something. When this happened, the second the doctor told me, the first thing that went through my head was every cross word I ever spoke to him. I felt so completely ashamed. The next thing that flooded in my mind was the fact that this man is so much a part of my life. How could I live without him? Everything I do is somehow based upon him. We love to vacation where we vacation each year, we share private jokes, we have the same political philosophy, and every part of my life is him. If one of our kids were hurt, that's where I would turn...before anyone else. Before you make this final, I pray that you'll give it some breathing time...you can always file...and think-- "what if I were to find he was dying..." I think perhaps every wife would benefit from being told what I was told a couple of months ago. And I think that we wouldn't need self help books on how to love your husband or how to pray for your husband. We would be reminded that life is short, and petty things you disagree about mean nothing really, in comparison to the family you have formed and the love you both have for them. I'm not writing this so that you'll feel bad, I am hoping that you'll just breathe and take a bit of time. Consider that you currently have what I would give my life for right now...a healthy husband who cares about your family enough to recognized mistakes and to work together for what you think is the best solution. That is such a blessing, truly it is. And one that we ladies in America overlook every day, I think :( I'll keep you in prayer.
  • 06-08-2009 1:20 PM In reply to

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     Betty, I've missed you.  You made me smile so many times on the old chat site.  I had no idea you and your DH were going through so much.  I will pray for a miracle.

    Mom to DD8 and DS28
    Using mostly A Beka

  • 06-08-2009 1:30 PM In reply to

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     Lynne, I will pray for you, too.  My own DH and I haven't had too many life shattering obstacles and the ones we have faced together, we haven't done that great a job with.  Right now we're in what I call the "blah" stage where we feel we could easily live without the other one, but no big issues or fights or anything. So I'm getting ready to shake things up a little bit with an attitude adjustment and a new hobby.  Funny, reading bridal chat sites always helped me fall in love again in the past.  You know, I had always heard marriage was work, blah, blah, blah, but until you're in the middle of it, there's just no way to tell how much work it really is.  Why don't our hubby's just let us raise our kids and leave us alone?  Wink  

    Mom to DD8 and DS28
    Using mostly A Beka

  • 06-15-2009 10:01 PM In reply to

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    This is not to anyone in particular...I just received it in my email today, and thought it was worth sharing.  It really makes you think...

     

    MARRIAGE

    When I got home that night as my wife served dinner, I held her hand and said, I've got something to tell you. She sat down and ate quietly. Again I observed the hurt in her eyes.

    Suddenly I didn't know how to open my mouth. But I had to let her know what I was thinking. I want a divorce.. I raised the topic calmly.

    She didn't seem to be annoyed by my words, instead she asked me softly, why?

    I avoided her question. This made her angry. She threw away the chopsticks and shouted at me, you are not a man! That night, we didn't talk to each other. She was weeping. I knew she wanted to find out what had happened to our marriage. But I could hardly give her a satisfactory answer; she had lost my heart to Dew. I didn't love her anymore. I just pitied her!

    With a deep sense of guilt, I drafted a divorce agreement which stated that she could own our house, our car, and 30% stake of my company.

    She glanced at it and then tore it into pieces. The woman who had spent ten years of her life with me had become a stranger. I felt sorry for her wasted time, resources and energy but I could not take back what I had said for I loved Dew so dearly. Finally she cried loudly in front of me, which was what I had expected to see. To me her cry was actually a kind of release. The idea of divorce which had obsessed me for several weeks seemed to be firmer and clearer now.

    The next day, I came back home very late and found her writing something at the table. I didn't have supper but went straight to sleep and fell asleep very fast because I was tired after an eventful day with Dew.

    When I woke up, she was still there at the table writing. I just did not care so I turned over and was asleep again.

    In the morning she presented her divorce conditions: she didn't want anything from me, but needed a month's notice before the divorce.

    She requested that in that one month we both struggle to live as normal a life as possible. Her reasons were simple: our son had his exams in a month's time and she didn't want to disrupt him with our broken marriage.

    This was agreeable to me. But she had something more, she asked me to recall how I had carried her into out bridal room on our wedding day.

    She requested that everyday for the month's duration I carry her out of our bedroom to the front door ever morning. I thought she was going crazy. Just to make our last days together bearable I accepted her odd request.

    I told Dew about my wife's divorce conditions.... . She laughed loudly and thought it was absurd. No matter what tricks she applies, she has to face the divorce, she said scornfully..

    My wife and I hadn't had any body contact since my divorce intention as explicitly expressed. So when I carried her out on the first day, we both appeared clumsy. Our son clapped behind us, daddy is holding mummy in his arms. His words brought me a sense of pain. From the bedroom to the sitting room, then to the door, I walked over ten meters with her in my arms. She closed her eyes and said softly; don't tell our son about the divorce. I nodded, feeling somewhat upset. I put her down outside the door. She went to wait for the bus to work. I drove alone to the office.

    On the second day, both of us acted much more easily. She leaned on my chest. I could smell the fragrance of her blouse. I realized that I hadn't looked at this woman carefully for a long time.. I realized she was not young any more. There were fine wrinkles on her face, her hair was graying! Our marriage had taken its toll on her. For a minute I wondered what I had done to her.

    On the fourth day, when I lifted her up, I felt a sense of intimacy returning. This was the woman who had given ten years of her life to me.

    On the fifth and sixth day, I realized that our sense of intimacy was growing again. I didn't tell Dew about this. It became easier to carry her as the month slipped by. Perhaps the everyday workout made me stronger.

    She was choosing what to wear one morning. She tried on quite a few dresses but could not find a suitable one. Then she sighed, all my dresses have grown bigger. I suddenly realized that she had grown so thin, that was the reason why I could carry her more easily.

    Suddenly it hit me... she had buried so much pain and bitterness in her heart. Subconsciously I reached out and touched her head.

    Our son came in at the moment and said, Dad, it's time to carry mum out. To him, seeing his father carrying his mother out had become an essential part of his life. My wife gestured to our son to come closer and hugged him tightly. I turned my face away because I was afraid I might change my mind at this last minute. I then held her in my arms, walking from the bedroom, through the sitting room, to the hallway. Her hand surrounded my neck softly and naturally.. I held her body tightly; it was just like our wedding day.

    But her much lighter weight made me sad. On the last day, when I held her in my arms I could hardly move a step.. Our son had gone to school. I held her tightly and said, I hadn't noticed that our life lacked intimacy.

    I drove to office.... jumped out of the car swiftly without locking the door. I was afraid any delay would make me change my mind... I walked upstairs. Dew opened the door and I said to her, Sorry, Dew, I do not want the divorce anymore.

    She looked at me, astonished, and then touched my forehead. Do you have a fever? She said. I moved her hand off my head. Sorry, Dew, I said, I won't divorce. My marriage life was boring probably because she and I didn't value the details of our lives, not because we didn't love each other any more. Now I realize that since I carried her into my home on our wedding day I am supposed to hold her until death do us apart.

    Dew seemed to suddenly wake up. She gave me a loud slap and then slammed the door and burst into tears. I walked downstairs and drove away.

    At the floral shop on the way, I ordered a bouquet of flowers for my wife. The salesgirl asked me what to write on the card.. I smiled and wrote, I'll carry you out every morning until death do us apart.

    That evening I arrived home, flowers in my hands, a smile on my face, I run up stairs, only to find my wife in the bed - dead.

    The small details of your lives are what really matter in a relationship. It's not the mansion, the car, property, the money in the bank. These create an environment conducive for happiness but cannot give happiness in themselves. So find time to be your spouse's friend and do those little things for each other that build intimacy. Do have a real happy marriage!

     

  • 06-25-2009 9:10 AM In reply to

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    Honey girl, I just dropped in and read your post. I hope that y'all are praying for reconciliation. It is never too late for that, and we know that divorce is not God's will. I'll be praying for you now, too.

    Married to Mr. Elliemaejune for over 30 years
    Mom to two dds and two dsil
    Caretaker of two dear kitties, one French bulldog, and six hermit crabs
    Hula dancer extradordinaire

    Seller of soaps and whatnots


  • 06-25-2009 10:25 AM In reply to

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    My heart hurts for you and your family. Such a difficult time for you and I know the Lord will be with you know matter what you choose. My sis had to choose divorce and even though it was probably ultimately for the best, it has in no way been easy. She is greatly missing the "shared life" aspect of marriage.

    My dh and I just went through a video study that completely and amazingly changed our lives and our marriage. Mind you, we went into the study thinking we were "hunky dory" but God revealed so much in both of us. The 12 weeks that it took us to complete the series was the most painful and wonderful 12 weeks of our lives. Please consider watching "Love and Respect" by Emerson Eggerich. Even if you think it's too late. If you feel that there is even an ounce of hope this series could change everything. (And you don't have to spread it over 12 weeks)

     

  • 07-11-2009 12:40 PM In reply to

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     Muselix, you hanging in there?  I'm keeping you on my prayer list.  Left HugRight Hug

    Mom to DD8 and DS28
    Using mostly A Beka

  • 07-13-2009 12:56 AM In reply to

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     Thank you all for your prayers!  I am still hanging in there...my ex's house closes on Tuesday and then we'll be filing probably that day or the next for the disolutionment (basically an amicable divorce, or a lawyer-less divorce).

    He has a girlfriend...she seems nice enough...got to meet her the other day.  I don't know how long it will last for them, but hopefully he doesn't just start bed-hopping.  He keeps trying to hook me up with guys he knows...but I keep telling him no, thanks.  I think he wants me to justify what he's doing and therefore somehow absolve him from doing something he knows in his heart is wrong.

    We are truly getting along better now than we ever did while we were together.  We've talked about reconciling and have agreed that it's pretty much out of the question for the time being.  Who knows..maybe later we'll get better together and want to explore that possibility.  But for right now, that's just not going to happen.  I will never be with someone again who makes me feel badly about myself.  I will never deal with someone who tells me that my needs and desires are too much, or too hard, or too anything. 

    I'm kind of surprised, but I am rather enjoying my time by myself...I have my children, my homeschooling, my animals, my house, my family to keep me busy.  It's summer in Alaska, and that means we have a fire within 5 miles of the house, a standing possibility of evacuation, and fishing to get done, berries to keep an eye out for, walks to take, bikes to ride, lakes to swim in, and kids to play with who have to go back to school in a few short months.

    I'm working from home, which is working out well for the kids, and this winter should serve us nicely.  My ex is already paying child support, which is a nice relief.  He actually has been spending more time with them than he ever has before, which is so wonderful for all of us.

    Okay, I've blabbed entirely too long...thank you so much for your prayers...

    Holly

    Mom to dd8, ds7, dd5, dd4
  • 07-13-2009 9:47 AM In reply to

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    Holly, I am so relieved to read that you are doing well. I am glad that you have a job that will allow for you to continue to homeschool (and I read your post on HSR that they hooked you up with high speed internet--yay!). It is so great for the kiddos that you guys are amicable and that he is financially providing and spending more time with them. I think it is good for you to say 'no, thanks' to the dating--you have enough on your plate! The Alaskan summer sounds fantastic. We are hunkered down in the air-conditioning trying to avoid going out in 117ยบ! Anyway, I just wanted to comment that I am glad you and the kiddos are well.
  • 07-13-2009 3:48 PM In reply to

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     Glad to hear things are working out so well.  Originally, I was going to ask you if you were going to move somewhere warm if you did go through with the divorce.  But your Alaskan summer sounds inviting.  And being able to swim in a lake without getting eaten by an alligator sure has its advantages.  Now I'll be adding "no evacuation" to your prayer request.  Geez, Louise, that's one worry I can't imagine.  Are you keeping photos and keepsakes in the car for a speedy getaway?  

     

    Mom to DD8 and DS28
    Using mostly A Beka

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